My 13 year old daughter, Sophia, is infatuated with fashion. It's my fault. Last July, I was pining over a Burberry coat I found online, showed her the image, and that was it. Ever since, she's been moving rapidly towards wanting to be editor-in-chief of Vogue Magazine.
Sophia is very serious about her desire to work for Vogue. She has learned names of top
designers and has lightly studied the history of style trends. She has watched the documentary film, The September Issue, more than a dozen times. Her fantasies of meeting the boys in the band Big Time Rush have been replaced with fantasies of meeting Anna Wintour, the current editor-in-chief of American Vogue.
Sophia with Randy and a $10,000 gown. |
Dialogue is key. Sophia and I talk about images depicted in her monthly
deliveries of Teen Vogue. Our conversations usually consists of me asking, “Do
you think this is trashy or artful?”
She replies, “Trashy.
The girls look too made up and the short skirts serve no purpose. I mean, it's like the purpose is to show their legs and not to show the trendy skirts”
I say, “I agree. It’s
oversexualized. I don’t think it’s
necessary for the image to be sexy. It
ruins the beauty of the skirts.”
When I disagree with her deduction of a photo, I not only
tell her why, I point out my reasoning for having an opposing opinion. This can be tricky. For example, she found this photo of Dakota
Fanning posing for a Marc Jacobs fragrance ad to be artful.
Dakota Fanning (photo credit) |
Hopefully you can see my issues with this one. It’s obviously oversexualized and inappropriate. The juxtaposition of Dakota Fanning's young innocent look
and the phallic-looking perfume bottle is downright disturbing to me. But I wasn't sure if she was aware of it's inappropriateness. I mean, what kind of former knowledge does she need to have in order to view this photo as inappropriate? I hopefully thought, “Maybe
colors make this photo appealing to her.
Maybe it’s the vintage look. She
likes vintage clothing.”
I proceeded with caution when discussing the young woman with the phallic fragrance bottle between her legs because my opinions were strong and I did not want to squash her willingness to share her thoughts and
opinions with me. Too much passion on my part could cut off all conversation. I also didn't want to delve too deeply into a conversation about under age girls in pornography and the many things that could be considered phallic symbols.
These tricky conversations happen frequently. Hopefully, they are helping her to become more skilled as a critical thinker when it comes to viewing images exhibited in her field of
passion, fashion. But, I ask, are our conversations enough to combat the multifaceted, underlying negativity in these images? I am only one person who has one conversation with
her approximately three times a week. I
mean, really. I have a lot to cover—homework,
time management, chores, respect and manners--and feel like I stand no chance
at competing with the multitude of images that come her way every day.
Last Monday night, as I was tucking her into bed, I asked
her about how she spent her free time at her dad’s over the weekend. She told me she watched three episodes of
America’s Next Top Model and explained she liked the show because of its clips
of photo shoots and not because of the clips of drama between the aspiring
models. That was good, I guess. I understand the appeal (I’ve been known to spend the weekend on the couch
viewing trashy reality TV). She
proceeded to ask me about the winner of Cycle 14, Krista White.
Krista White (photo credit) |
She said, “Do you think she is too thin? I mean I was comparing her collar bones to
Tyra’s and hers stuck out like a whole lot more.”
Collar bones? My girl
is observant.
The conversation turned into a passionate lecture given by
me which included my opinion of how wrong it was for Tyra to pick someone so thin as the winner. "I mean Tyra Banks has to know these
young women are role models to aspiring models at home watching on TV!" Well, it was more of a rant. And it was lengthy.
I did calm down enough to ask her what she
thought of Tyra’s body.
She replied, “Tyra is beautiful. She’s normal looking.”
Tyra Banks
is anything but normal looking. She is gorgeous. However, I was relieved that it sounded as if Sophia had a trace of a
healthy perspective of body image. But I was still worried. Did my rant sound as if I was putting down an
industry that has lit her fire of enthusiasm and has inspired her to dream?
Dreaming. Fashion is
fantasy.
This post, this topic, has no end in site.
It is one that continues on a daily basis as I navigate my
way through mothering a fashionista daughter in our media saturated world.
It's interesting because I am finding my own opinions of the images I see of women have
changed over time. For instance, I used to see Angelina Jolie as the epitome of beauty. Today, I see her as an example of a person
who needs to be treated for anorexia nervosa, and whose disease
is ignored because our ideals of beauty have become sickly skewed. And it makes me mad. Nevertheless, I
hope to not crush any of Sophia’s dreams of being a fashion editor. Heaven forbid I become known to her as, “My
mother the dream crusher.”
There’s a balance. I don't know if I will find it. But I won’t give
up. The information and connections to
others available via the Web make giving up on any parenting issue an act of
inexcusable fear.
To be continued. . .
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Having those conversations which allow your children to form their own opinion, but to where you "want" them to be, can be so challenging. I am known to get up on my soapbox and I often wonder if my son agrees with me because he really does see the issue or because he just doesn't want to upset me.
ReplyDeleteI agree, that it's tough to discern sometimes if their views are their own or mini version of ours. I think in the process of developing ideas and opinions, they go through many versions, until they integrate all the information and create a unique view of their own.
DeleteYour daughter's passion for fashion (sorry about the cheesy rhyme) is so exciting. She's lucky to have a mom who can show her how to approach the industry with an eye toward art and health. Well done!
ReplyDeleteHow awesome that at 13, Sophia already has a strong idea of what she wants to do for a future career. She sounds very smart and now has a great foundation from your conversations. I really feel keeping this kind of communication open is so important, your daughter will look back on this and really be thankful. I absolutely think you are making a great difference and providing needed guidance while respecting her thoughts and opinions as well as encouraging critical thinking and self esteem. So much garbage in magazines and media is aimed towards women, full of impossible standards and like you said - fantasy. You are a great mom - love this post!
ReplyDeleteOh Mama, this topic is so complicated, but I applaud you for taking the energy and time to open the dialog with your daughter. She may be one of the more forward thinking young women in fashion we creates a revolution within the industry, you never know. The thing I always have to remember with my girls is, it's not about me, and that gives me the space to think with clarity about what I want to convey.
ReplyDeleteHave you seen "Killing us Softly?" it is an expose movie on the magazine industry, associated with eating disorders and body image with definite "feminist" stance, but worth a look. Maybe watch it first to see if it would be helpful in presentin points.
Thanks for your reply! I get so excited when readers share info! Thank you, thank you, thank you! I will definitely check out the documentary. Thank you. I think the closer my girls get to adulthood, or as I watch them turning into young ladies, I sense I am becoming a feminist ;) Maybe that's a stereotype we need to deal with too? Thanks also for the comment you left last week on Itsy Bitsy Spider. It moved me...really. Glad to be with you in the blogosphere.
DeleteWonderful post. I'm so glad you and your daughter have such a great dialogue going.
ReplyDeleteMy brother-in-law works for a high-end fashion designer, and recently described the ultra-thin models they use as "A mess. So many issues. But so hot." Hopefully, your talented, enlightened daughter will be a part of a brighter and healthier future for the fashion industry!
Thanks for your comment. How did we get here, that these young starving women are hot? I mean, I get it. I see the appeal. But it is so, so disturbing. Almost macabre.
DeleteSuch a delicate balance to strike, isn't it? It sounds like you are doing a phenomenal job though. I'll admit I'm also an ANTM junkie sometimes. Those marathons suck me right in! But I typically watch because there's a "normal" model in the bunch. Someone who is a healthy size. I always root for that model, because to me, that's what represents a real woman. These fashion and runway models really are just TOO thin. When are we going to realize that models that thin are damaging the body images of young girls? I just don't get it.
ReplyDeleteGreat, thought-provoking post. You're absolutely right this discussion could go on for ages.
I think you're handling the situation beautifully, Kimberly. I think it's wonderful that she has such a clear idea of what she wants to pursue, and that she has such a supportive mom.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Alison...you're handling it beautifully. I hope I am able to be as 'level' when my daughter begins exploring things that are as challenging.
ReplyDeleteThanks. There is a great community here which provides a ton of support. You'll be level and you'll surprise yourself. I think it has to do with "grace"?
DeleteHow awesome to keep that conversation open! Mothering 2 daughters, I hope I can keep an open dialogue. (Instead of giving in to desire to rant about pop culture attacks on girls and women!)
ReplyDeleteThank you for sharing!
Kerry at HouseTalkN
Thanks Kerry. The rants will happen. Just follow up with a calm statement like, "As you can tell, this is a very important issue and one that I am passionate about." ;)
DeleteI don't have kids and I often think if I did they would hate me as I'd say no to just about everything. Especially a girl. No, you can't wear that, for instance. It sounds as if you are handling it with aplomb. Such an incredibly important topic. Too many young girls today feel far too much pressure to be thin, and sexy (slutty). Kudos for keeping the channels of communication open with your daughter.
ReplyDeleteYou are right that the pressure to look sexy is great. And these young women haven't even had an opportunity to discover what "sexy" is or means to them. It is imposed upon them, which, well, makes me mad. Believe me, I can relate to the urge and strong desire to shut it down completely by saying, "No."
DeleteI had typed out a huge reply but my comment was redirected. Booo! I love your post and wish your daughter the best of luck. That is an industry that I would have loved to have gotten into.
ReplyDeleteSorry your comment was redirected. Frustrating. Very grateful you proceeded to comment and hope it provided you with an opportunity to explore your thoughts.
DeleteYou know, your "only" three times a week conversations have much more impact than those images do. You are helping her to create a frame of context in which to view those images. Never underestimate that.
ReplyDeleteWe can't hide kids from the world, we can only help them handle it.
Pat on the back for you today. Ellen
Thank you, Ellen. I appreciate your insight and love how you articulated it: "You are helping her to create a frame of context in which to view those images." So well put.
DeleteKimberly, your observations and dialogue remind me of a favorite professor in graduate school. Having two adolescent daughters, her lectures in gender/race/ethnicity studies in education, would often be peppered with antidotes and stories of her own parenting. It was obvious, her daughters "GOT" what she had said and their mother's opinions and outlooks in turn were absorbed and integrated as their own, creating strong and independent young women. I believe you are doing the same with your girls, and I don't doubt whatever path they chose, your voice will be there.
ReplyDeleteJackie, Beautiful comment. Thank you.
DeleteWow, this has to be so hard Kimberly. Wanting to nurture your Sophia's dreams but providing a forum to discuss the very disturbing issues that come with it. I couldn't agree more about both the excitement of fashion and the fact that the models and others like
ReplyDeleteAJ are so drastically thin but it's acceptable because they are called beautiful. As you said, it's on-going for you but I look forward to following how you handle it as there is much for many of us to learn about how we address these types of conversations with our impressionable and yet tuned in minis.
I think you have a very good balanced approach. There is (or can be) something artful in the fashion industry if you can look beyond a lot of possibly destructive imaging. ANd probably a good thing that your daughter did not get the phallic imagery in that photo!
ReplyDeleteFirst off, I LOVE Randy from Say Yes to the Dress!! Second, this is such a tricky subject! I think it's great you're having open conversations with her about this. It sounds as if she has a good head on her shoulders.
ReplyDeleteI'm so not ready for my kids to be teens yet.
Ahhhh Kimberly, another great post. Because of fashion I am so glad I don't have a daughter. We walked into Kohl's last night (Hot Joe and I) and in the junior section was a teeny tiny pair of shorts hanging underneath a halter. Like the original strapless bra. It was that tiny. I was mortified. What the heck kind of mother is going to let her daughter go out dressed in something so revealing. And then I thought about it, and I could name three.
ReplyDeleteI love that you take all the opportunities you do to discuss tacky v classy advertising....and that you encourage her ambitions. And I love that at such a young age she realizes the diff between healthy and freakishly skinny. Most young girls, myself as a child included, didn't. I thought being super skinny and wearing next to nothing was normal bc that's what I saw on TV and in in ads. I agree 100% with you on the Dakota Fanning ad, I think when your daughter is older she'll understand your issue with it a little more...it's kind of like the Nick Teen show my kids watch, they completely miss the inappropriate undertones now. You're doing an awesome job, I look forward to hearing your follow ups on this :)
ReplyDeleteThat's a tough one- I'm thinking about the Dakota picture, in particular: do you want to point out "taht phallic looking bottle" only to be asked "what does phallic mean?" But the discussions of body image and body distortion--that's so important. Have you shown her (or has she found on her own) the various websites devoted to photoshopping--showing the tremendous distortions done by photoshop in the name of 'fashion? Those sites might further help her to understand that what we see is NOT real, even if the photos are of "real people."
ReplyDeleteI am so impressed with the open conversations with this touchy subject. I worry about this with my baby girls and how we will promote healthy not skinny! Keep the topics coming!!
ReplyDeleteIt's a tricky situation, because she has an early ambition which is great. But it's in a very difficult and exclusive field. Fortunately she still has time to make her final decision...
ReplyDeleteGreat post, Kimberly.
So correct about the dialogue being key. You are having fantastic conversations with your daughter! I love that she pointed out the collarbones. Has she noticed what size the supposed "plus size" models are in the current cycle? -3 PLUS 5 maybe.
ReplyDeleteI went to Kleinfeld's once, but it was still in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn. Boy were people pissed when they up and left! Woohooo!